Contract Exploit Search Service

[Fiona]

Hi everyone!

I'm offering to check your contracts for exploits! Here's how it works:
You send me the contract you want checked and we negotiate a payment if I find an exploit. I will never ask for more than 10M.
If I find no exploits, I tell you so and it's all free !!
If I do find any, I tell you any exploits I found and you transfer me the money .

As a price guideline, think about 20% of whatever you stand to gain/lose from an exploit. DISCOUNT if you may to my M-account.

And, HAVE FUN PLAYING!

[deendir]

So, I hope you're ok with some competition, Fiona, coz I wanna make a similar offer.

I will review any M-Ticket agreements anyone in the Downsizing Game wishes to make. This method is so simple, all you need to do is follow one simple step!

1) PM your contract to me.

If I contact you to say that there are no loopholes, I offer a guarantee: If you can show a loophole that was used on you that I missed, I will pay you 10M yen.

If I contact you to say that there are loopholes, I will offer you a new M-ticket agreement free of those pesky loopholes. And, of course, my guarantee still stands: If you can show a loophole was used on you that I missed, I will pay you 10M yen.

This service is completely FREE! And results are guaranteed!

So, if you are considering an M-Ticket agreement, send it to Deendir, and just relax and have fun with the round! You can draw attention to a PM over skype. My skype profile name is Deendir.

This offer is available for a limited time only though. It only applies to M-Ticket agreements made during the Downsizing Game. However, unlike Fiona, I am not in the Downsizing Game, and therefore, this service is completely safe to you throughout this game.

[Fiona]

Of course I don't mind, Deendir . Though practicing without credentials, really?

Anyway, as a master analyst I must warn people that someone making offers they don't get anything from are rarely trustworthy...
So, would you mind sharing what do you think of the following contract:
"Either signatory can make transfers of votes or money to the other signatory by making a post on the forum."

[deendir]

I'll need to check with the dealers, but I'm not sure it would be accepted.

Assuming it is, do vault posts count? What content is required in the post?

I would suggest something along the lines of:
This is a contract between Deendir and Fiona.
If Deendir creates a post containing the phrase "I transfer <amount> yen to Fiona", substituting <amount> with the desired amount of yen to transfer, and that post is found in a thread in the sub-forum located here: liargameonline.proboards.com/board/45/players-lounge , and the post must be created after this contract has been approved and before the end of the downsizing game, then Deendir will pay Fiona an amount of yen equal to <amount>.
If Deendir creates a post containing the phrase "I transfer <amount> votes to Fiona", substituting <amount> with the desired amount of yen to transfer, and that post is found in a thread in the sub-forum located here: liargameonline.proboards.com/board/45/players-lounge , and the post must be created after this contract has been approved and before the end of the downsizing game, then Deendir will pay Fiona an amount of votes equal to <amount>.
If Fiona creates a post containing the phrase "I transfer <amount> yen to Deendir", substituting <amount> with the desired amount of yen to transfer, and that post is found in a thread in the sub-forum located here: liargameonline.proboards.com/board/45/players-lounge , and the post must be created after this contract has been approved and before the end of the downsizing game, then Fiona will pay Deendir an amount of yen equal to <amount>.
If Fiona creates a post containing the phrase "I transfer <amount> votes to Deendir", substituting <amount> with the desired amount of yen to transfer, and that post is found in a thread in the sub-forum located here: liargameonline.proboards.com/board/45/players-lounge , and the post must be created after this contract has been approved and before the end of the downsizing game, then Fiona will pay Deendir an amount of votes equal to <amount>.

I apologize for the length, but I personally would be dubious of how open "a post on the forum" is. Additionally, by locking in exact phrasing and specifying that the contract only applies to posts created after this contract is formed, you remove the possibility that, for example "I will pay you 10M" found earlier in this thread would be applicable. If you wish to remove the obviousness of it, you can change the phrase.

Of course, I am not certain as to why you would want this contract. That changes a lot of details, and the intentions here may have all kinds of problems of their own.

I would usually double check with the dealers to make sure that the above contract would be approved, but Alydar isn't on at the moment and I wish to remove any doubt of my skills as soon as possible, meaning I wish to post this as soon as possible.

[deendir]

And, while Alydar is still not on skype, I do have to admit, I missed a flaw in the above. The above contract, to the best of my understanding, cannot be approved. I would be able to post "I transfer 10^1000 yen to Fiona", which I obviously am incapable of doing.

For the money section, the following is necessary "Through the use of this contract, no more than 100M can be transferred."

For the vote section, I have some ideas on how to allow it while remaining loophole-free, but I'm dubious of if they would be allowed.

In general, a contract allowing money and votes to be transferred by posts on the forum would be problematic, and I would recommend an alternative method to accomplishing your goal.

[deendir]

May 22, 2015 13:58:40 GMT Fiona said:

Of course I don't mind, Deendir . Though practicing without credentials, really?

Anyway, as a master analyst I must warn people that someone making offers they don't get anything from are rarely trustworthy...
So, would you mind sharing what do you think of the following contract:
"Either signatory can make transfers of votes or money to the other signatory by making a post on the forum."

Oh.  Also, I didn't see any credentials on your part.  But I'll believe that you are up for it.  If you want me to post a test for you as well, just ask.

So, what do I get out of this?  First off, it's fun.  These are interesting brainteasers that you wouldn't get in regular situations.

Second off, it seems unfair that everyone other than you has their loopholes revealed, wouldn't you say?  Well, you and any possible allies that you might be covering for.

Finally, the free aspect is, as I said, a limited time deal. This round is to demonstrate my skills, which I believe I have now done. Next round, I might see about selling my services, depending on how this round goes.

[Fiona]

I asked Alydar about the legality of sich a contract several days ago, but was told that he was "going to need to give this to others to deal with. [He's] been awake too long to be doing this right now". I figured it doesn't matter all that much if it would actually be accepted; it does obey the rules as written!

Anyway, the contract you offered still features the original exploit I had in mind when I first asked Alydar if such a contract was legal

[deendir]

No, the contract you provided does not obey the rules for contracts as written, as there would be no way to check that all transfers you make would be legal at the time of writing. There would be nothing stopping me from trying to transfer 10^1000 yen to you, which I obviously can't do, and therefore the contract is void. That's why I stated I need to talk to Alydar before I can sort out the votes part.

The only exploits left that I can think of are ones based on purpose of the contract. For example, if you wished to use this contract as a way to quickly cover trades later, then they could post before you do, and then you never post your part. But as stands, this contract does not allow you to take my money or my votes without my allowing it (as I can simply choose not to post).

Oh. There is the possibility of you hacking my account and posting it on my behalf. But that's getting into a whole different barrel of worms.

Without knowledge of the intentions of the contract, the above protects all signatories by simply allowing you to not post.

[deendir]

Oh. And as specified, I would be dubious of signing such a contract in the first place without good reason anyway. Something left so vague is automatically a problem.

[Fiona]

Not falling for it, I see . I agree the contract you have is indeed solid.

There are improvements I would suggest to it, but they are minor enough that I wouldn't call them exploits and wouldn't expect payment for them.
I'd sort the voting is by saying that votes transfers happen only if the party who wants to make the vote transfer is able to do it when the post is processed by the dealers.
I could write "I transfer 100M yen to Fiona." invisibly in a post of mine (no transfer happens) and get you to quote it. It would still be in your post. Not hard to avoid, but it's something to keep in mind.
I think what happens in case of an edit should be specified; perhaps a no edit policy, and an edited post is assumed to have contained a transfer of all votes the player has and 100 sentences transferring 1M each...

[deendir]

Quotes could be a potential problem, I will admit I forgot about that. Edits were gonna be a thing I talked about with Alydar. I know that admin can see edits, so I was gonna ask Alydar about that and then specify, but he hasn't been on today.

[deendir]

OK. Alydar has specified that no variables are allowed. So, you would have to write my contract as above with something along the lines of:

"The first ten times that Fiona posts <key phrase here>, Fiona will pay Deendir 10M yen. (The maximum amount that can be transferred this way is 100M yen)"

100M yen of your money would be locked into potential trade with me, subtracting whatever amount you have already paid this way. As stands, you would need to wait for both players to have votes before you could include a section about transferring votes.

Once again, while I would be willing to look over such a contract, I would advise against relying on posting requirements for contracts.

Also, Alydar might change his mind on whether that contract is legal based on how well mods can see edits.

[deendir]

Hey all.

Due to contracts not being available during this round, my services are unavailable until the revival round. I suspect Fiona will also be withdrawing her services for this period.

[Fiona]

Well, the service probably wouldn't be needed right now, but if someone wished me to review a hypothetical contract, I'd be happy to!